“West was very cynical about our films”- Amitabh Bachchan
Anjali Rao interviews superstar Amitabh Bachchan for CNN's 'Talk Asia'. Bringing you the excerpts of the same.
The
Wall
Street
Journal
says
that
film
production
in
India
is
down
by
some
30%.
What's
been
your
experience
with
the
recession?
In
comparison
to
the
rest
of
the
world,
India
has
faced
the
recession
in
much
better
shape
and
has
been
in
much
better
shape
than
some
of
the
other
western
countries.
I think what is important is that you have the desire still to make films, and that hasn't stopped. And we still continue to shoot and we make our films. It's not as though everything has come to a grinding halt, and we're just sort of sitting around idle. We've all been working and... at practically the same pace, perhaps with a little less finance, but...but that's okay.
We
have
recently
seen
a
closer
collaboration
between
the
Indian
film
industry
and
Hollywood.
What
do
you
think
of
those
studio
tie-ups?
I
think
this
has
got
to
do
a
lot
more
with
economics
rather
than
sharing
creativity.
The
West
and
Hollywood
would
have
to
realize
that
when
they
come
to
India
with
Hollywood
products,
there
is
a
difference
between
the
cultures.
Not
every
film
that
comes
out
of
Hollywood
is
as
readily
acceptable
as
they
would
be
in
say,
Europe.
But what they are doing now is, they are, obviously because they are very healthy in their finance, they are using their money to invest in productions that are coming out of India. And in that respective, yes, holding hands with Hollywood companies or any other company is now become-an almost a routine.
You
recently
starred
in
Teen
Patti
with
Ben
Kingsley
Yeah.
And
that
was
heavily
promoted
at
Cannes.
Do
you
think,
though
that
we're
ever
really
going
to
see
Indian
films
translate
across
the
board
in
the
West?
I'm
not
sure
that
Indian
producers
are
deliberately
making
products
that
will
reach
out
to
a
Western
audience,
but
yes,
if
there
is
an
opportunity,
they
will.
I'm
actually
very
happy
with
our
content.
Even
though
we
were
ridiculed,
and
the
West
were
very
cynical
about
the
way
we
made
our
films
and
the
content
that
it
contained.
You
know
the
songs
and
the
dance
and
the
music
was
something
that
was
kind
of
looked
down
upon
many
years
ago.
But
that
very
aspect
has
now
become,
it's
USP
almost,
and
people
love
to
see
that.
And
therefore,
I
would
not
want
to
change
that.
I
would
expect
that
this
is
how
and
what
our
cinema
is
all
about.
Let's
discuss
your
personal
career.
You've
been
in
this
industry
for
a
good
thirty
years
now.
You're
this…
Forty
actually.
Forty
years.
My
word.
I
began
in
1969.
Yeah.
You're
the
son
of
a
famous
poet.
How
did
you
get
started
in
acting?
You
know
we
all
have
some
elements
of
performance
as
we're
growing
up.
When
you're
in
kindergarten,
you're
on
the
stage,
and
you
do
your
school
shows
and
you're
little
amateur
performances.
Then
when
I
graduated
and
looked
for
a
job
in
Calcutta,
I
was
working
for
a
British
agency,
managing
agency
house
and
there
were
theatre
groups,
a
lot
of
theatre...
amateur
theatre
on
stage.
And
I
joined
those
groups,
and
we
did
even
more
serious
theatre.
Joining
the
film
industry
is
a
huge
exercise,
and
we
still
don't
know
how
the
heck
one
gets
into
movies.
There
isn't
any
kind
of
a
formal
procedure.
It
was
during
that
time
that
Khwaja
Ahmad
Abbas,
who
was
a
very
fine
gentleman
and
made
some
wonderful
films,
was
casting
for
his
new
film.
And
some
of
the
newcomers
that
he
was
wanting
were
very
friendly
with
my
brother
who
was
also
posted
in
Bombay
at
that
time.
And
he,
you
know,
showed
my
photograph.
They
showed
interest.
I
came
down
to
Bombay.
That's
how
I
got
my
first
job.
Sholay
remains
an
incredibly
important
film.
Why
do
you
think
that
it
captured
the
imagination
of
Indian
audiences
the
way
that
it
did
and
that
it's
stayed
like
that?
I
think
Sholay
had
many
elements
that
merged
with
what
Indian
cinema
and
the
psyche
of
the
Indian
audience
felt
at
that
time.
It
was
great
fun.
There
was
great
retribution.
There
was
the
conquest
of
good
over
evil.
There
was
the
hope
of
widow
remarriage,
a
great
moral
constraint
in
our
society.
There
was
great
camaraderie
between
friends.
There
was
music,
there
was
song
and
there
was
action
and
there
was
just
such
a
healthy
mixture.
Initially
though,
it
was
declared
a...commercial
flop.
Did
that
worry
you?
I
mean
given
that
it
was
so
close
to
when
things
were
already
taking
off.
You
know,
it's
interesting
that
you
mention
that,
because
it
released
on
Friday
and
by
Saturday
it
was
almost
a
disaster
and
Ramesh
Sippy
and
Salim-Javed
and
myself,
we
met
at
our
house-my
house
and
we
said…
That's
the
director,
the
writer
and
yourself?
Yes,
and
we
said,
'Gosh
you
know,
this
is
a
bomb
and
what
do
we
do.'
And
we
sat
down
to
analyze
what
had
gone
wrong.
And
it
was
felt
that
there
was-an
earlier
release
of
mine
called
Deewar,
which
was
again
written
by
Salim-Javed,
directed
by
Mr.
Yash
Chopra
where
I
die
in
the
film.
And
they
felt
that
perhaps
the
audience
has
had
enough
of
me
dying
in,
therefore
killing
me
in
Sholay
was
not
such
a
good
thing
to
do.
Because you deprived the audience a) of my life and b) deprived my life for the possibility of a widow remarriage, which was a very important moral message that was going through. And we said yeah that's it, 'what can we do now?' So...it was decided that we should re-shoot that portion and make me alive again and...
After
the
film
had
already
been
released?
Absolutely
and
it
was
decided
that
we
would
all
travel
on
Sunday
morning
to
Bangalore,
where
we
were
shooting
the
film.
Finish
this
by
lunchtime,
send
it
across
to
the
laboratory
in
Madras,
it
was
called
Madras
then.
Get
it
printed
and
overnight
make
thousand
prints
and
put
them
out
into
the
theatres
by
Monday
morning.
And
then...hope
and
expect
that
things
would
change.
And
everything
was
decided
and
everyone
all
got
set
and
ready
to
travel
to
Bangalore,
units
were
all
beckoned
and
everyone
was
sort
of-almost
put
into
motion
and
then,
by
the
evening
of
Saturday,
Ramesh
Sippy
said
'you
know
we've
waited
just
2
days,
let's
wait
till
Sunday
and
see
what
happens
and
if
it
doesn't,
then
we'll
go
and
see
what
we
can
do.'
And by Sunday, the whole scenario changed and so we dropped the whole idea, happily.
Your
acting
style
saw
you
earn
this
persona
of
the
angry
young
man
which
um,
you
said
was
a
term
of
convenience
invented
by
the
media.
Still
it
has
stuck,
for
all
these
years.
Do
you
think
that
you
have
been
misrepresented?
Some
of
the
roles
that
I
did
during
that
period
had
a
lot
of
angst
in
them.
During
the
70s
there
was
a
feeling
of
great
dissatisfaction
in
the
youth
that
the
establishment
and
the
system
are
not
doing
sufficient
work
to
take
care
of
their
issues
and
problems.
And
therefore,
when
one
individual
stood
out,
independently
and
challenged
the
system
and
came
out
victorious.
He
suddenly
became
a
hero.
You
endured
something
of
a
slump
in
the
1990s.
Yeah.
And
went
bankrupt--
Yeah.
Around
2000.
Did
you
think
it
was
all
over
for
you
or
did
you
know
that
one
day
that
you'd
be
able
to
come
back?
One
never
ever
thinks
of
it
at
that
point
in
time.
The
desire
is,
or
the
thinking
really
is,
'No,
no,
no,
this
couldn't
be
happening
to
you.'
And
'how
do
I
get
out
of
it?'
The
intention
really
is
to
survive.
And
you
look
for
opportunities
where
you
can
do
these
things.
I
said,
'I'm
an
actor
and
I
should
be
acting.'
So
I
went
across
to
some
producers
and
said,
'I'm
without
a
job.
I
don't
have
any
money.
I
need
to
work.'
And
they
were
kind
enough
to
offer
me
some
roles.
I
started
working.
And
gradually
was
able
to
pay
back
each
and
every
creditor.
So
that
was
healthy.
Your
son
Abhishek
Bachchan
was
a
guest
on
this
program
not
that
long
ago,
and
he
is
a
huge
success
now,
but
he
spent
several
years
at
the
beginning
of
his
career
being
panned
by
critics
and
audiences.
He
told
me
that
you
really
counselled
him
through
that
period,
but
what
was
it
like
for
you
as
a
father
watching
him
have
to
go
through
this?
Yeah.
I
think
for
any
father,
for
any
parent
it
is
heartbreaking
to
see
your
children
suffer
mentally,
emotionally,
physically.
It's
a
terrible
feeling.
But
at
the
same
time,
as
a
human
being,
and
as
a
head
of
the
family,
as
the
father,
you
also
feel,
'I'm
happy
that
this
is
happening
because
he
is
learning
something
from
it.'
So
take
the
best
out
of
it.
Learn
from
that.
Learn
from
your
mistakes.
Never
get
put
down
by
adversity.
And
then
determine
your
mind
to
say,
'one
day
I'm
going
to
disprove
these
guys.'
We
were
on
set
with
you
during
the
filming
of
Sarkar
Raj
which
was
the
sequel
to
your
hit
Sarkar.
And
that
movie
Sarkar
Raj
also
stars
Abhishek
and
his
wife
Aishwarya
Bachchan.
What's
it
like
working
with
family
around
you
as
opposed
to
working
with
any
other
actors?
Well
you
know,
you
all
get
up
under
the
same
roof
and
you
pack
your
lunch
and
your
makeup
bag
and
you
all
travel
together
to
location
and
then
you
put
your
makeup
on
and
you're
in
front
of
the
camera
and
you're
three
different
people.
You
are
the
characters
that
you
play,
that's
all
there
is
to
it.
Then
there's
the
lunch
break
and
we
all
get
together
and
we
have
lunch
together.
And
we're
back
on
set.
It's
wonderful
to
have
them
around.
I
think
the
atmosphere
is
a
lot
easier
because
you
know,
we're
all
family.
I
know
you're
not
a
fan
of
talking
about
Slumdog
which
everybody
knows
that,
you
know,
you
did
not
like.
No...whoever
told
you
that.
It's
just
in
everything
I've
read.
Yes
sometimes
what
you
read
isn't
always
correct.
So
I
hear.
But
that
was
an
unnecessary
controversy
that
was
put
on
my
shoulders.
I
write
a
blog
and
I
invite
comments
from
people
who
read
it.
And
I
get
about
five
to
six
hundred
comments
everyday
because
I
write
everyday.
And
all
I
did
was
that
in
my
blog,
I
said
you
know
'so
and
so
has
said
this
about
the
film,
so
and
so
has
said
this
about
the
film,
what
do
you
feel?'
And that was cut and pasted by some bright journalist in certain parts of the world and put together as my comments and my reaction to the film when in fact it was entirely untrue. So I was wrongly accused. I did get to see the film. I thought it was a very well made film, great story.
What
did
you
think
about
the
way
that
you
were
portrayed?
That's
okay,
that's
part
of
the
story.
And...
Did
you
get
a
kick
out
of
it?
It's
all
right.
You
know
you
go
and
see
sometimes
a
film,
it
was
part
of
the
psyche
of
what
society
is
in
India
and
so
on
and
that's
perfectly
ok.
And
a
very
well
constructed
film
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
then,
that
was
something
separate.
What
came
across
more
strongly
was,
this
great
accusation
that
you
know,
that
I
was
the
one
that
was
instigating
this
hatred
towards
the
film.
No
I
did
not.
And
I
cleared
it
up.
I
rang
up
Danny
Boyle
and
I
rang
up
Anil
Kapoor
and
I
explained
it
to
them
and
we
all
had
a
laugh.
Most
recently
you
hit
the
headlines
amidst
this
violence
that's
been
taking
place
in
certain
cities
in
Australia
against
Indian
students
and
Australian
Prime
Minister
Kevin
Rudd
says
that
it's
nothing
to
do
with
any
sort
of
racial
motivation.
Yet
you
turned
down
an
honorary
doctorate
from
an
Australian
university,
how
come?
I
just
felt
very
strongly
that
with
all
this
happening
there,
with
me
to,
visit
the
country,
to
accept
an
honour
or
be
honoured
when
other
members
of
my
country
are
being
dishonoured,
didn't
seem
right.
And
I
just
took
a
personal
decision
and...asked
to
be
excused.
Ok.
You
are
the
most
famous
man
in
India.
Goodness...
Don't
look
so
surprised!
Most
certainly
not.
No.
What
are
the
advantages
and
disadvantages
of
having
such
recognition?
Well
any
kind
of
recognition
brings
with
it
a
lot
of
responsibility,
not
just
for
yourself
or
your
family
but
for
society
and
the
country
that
you
represent
or
a
part
of.
Obviously
our
behaviour,
our
attitude,
how
we
conduct
our
lives,
what
we
say,
what
we
do...is
all
so
microscopically
looked
at
that
at
times
it
becomes
difficult
to
be
able
to
be
just
another
normal
human
being,
which
is
what
we
are.
But
yes,
it
brings
with
it
recognition
and
we
enjoy
that.
We
love
adulation.
We
like
the
fans
and
we
love
them
and
we
want
to
reciprocate
in
as
an
equal
amount
as
possible.
So
yes
recognition
is
good.
We
appreciate
that
but
we
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
they
have
the
liberty
to
be
able
to
tell
us
if
they
feel
we
are
doing
something
wrong
and
it
is
our
prerogative
to
decide
whether
we
want
to
correct
it
or
want
to
go
ahead
with
it.